I ordered the black in an XL. At first I was a bit surprised at how brief they were. But then realized that I sit around in splits without liners, so what is the problem. Actually, no problems here. The fit is great, and yes the inseam is really short (the way I like it), but the material wraps around the package really well. I just wish I'd discovered these before I sold my last property. I'd have ordered more and this would have been my shorts of choice. Brief, yet covered, so the neighbors don't talk (hell, they're going to talk no matter what so why not enjoy). Just not sure, without a liner, what folks see when I bend over. The net fabric pattern gives me a little (did I say little?) pause, but what the heck. At least when I sit, everything is totally covered and I don't have to worry as I did with the unlined splits.